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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] "Your goal is to shoot the asteroids"
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (SuStel)
Sat Mar 23 10:43:15 2019
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On 3/23/2019 1:38 AM, Christa Hansberry wrote:
> Speaking of X [pronoun] Y'e' constructions, can 'e' be the pronoun?
> Like if I were making a Klingon arcade game, and wanted to say "Your
> goal is to shoot the asteroids", would "ghopDapmey Dabach 'e'
> ngoQlIj'e' " work? I mean, you /could/ just say "ghopDapmey tIbach!",
> but that doesn't cover all the situations when you want to define a
> noun with an action...
You can only use *'e'* (or *net*) as an object, and that precludes using
it as the pronoun in a copula.
To say /Your goal is to shoot the asteroids,/ say *ghopDapmeyDaq bachmeH
ngoQ 'oH ngoQlIj'e'.* You could use *'e'* by saying *ghopDapmeyDaq
bIbach 'e' 'oH ngoQlIj'e'* and it would follow all the known rules of
grammar, but I feel like this construction would be cumbersome, and
you'd only do it to mimic the grammar of the English original.
Note that the object of *bach* is the beam that comes out of your
weapon, not the target of your fire, though Klingon allows you to refer
to the weapon that shoots the beam. So you can say *tIH vIbach*/I shoot
the ray/ and *nISwI' vIbach*/I shoot the disruptor,/ but not *ghopDap
vIbach*/I shoot the asteroid./ To specify your target, use the locative
*-Daq.*
KGT is a little cagey as to exactly what the difference is, but it
appears that you use *bach* when referring to beam weapons and *baH*
when referring to weapons that launch a projectile that explodes. You
use *chuH* to refer to thowing a weapon that's meant to be thrown. It's
unclear what you would use when referring to non-exploding projectile
weapons. My guess is *bach.*
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/23/2019 1:38 AM, Christa Hansberry
wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:CAMDMAu1OTv_dzqV5MN0rpM9OL61H8A_tp_saTCWT3z=B_MTbSQ@mail.gmail.com">Speaking
of X [pronoun] Y'e' constructions, can 'e' be the pronoun? Like if
I were making a Klingon arcade game, and wanted to say "Your goal
is to shoot the asteroids", would "ghopDapmey Dabach 'e'
ngoQlIj'e' " work? I mean, you <i>could</i> just say "ghopDapmey
tIbach!", but that doesn't cover all the situations when you want
to define a noun with an action...</blockquote>
<p>You can only use <b>'e'</b> (or <b>net</b>) as an object, and
that precludes using it as the pronoun in a copula.</p>
<p>To say <i>Your goal is to shoot the asteroids,</i> say <b>ghopDapmeyDaq
bachmeH ngoQ 'oH ngoQlIj'e'.</b> You could use <b>'e'</b> by
saying <b>ghopDapmeyDaq bIbach 'e' 'oH ngoQlIj'e'</b> and it
would follow all the known rules of grammar, but I feel like this
construction would be cumbersome, and you'd only do it to mimic
the grammar of the English original.</p>
<p>Note that the object of <b>bach</b> is the beam that comes out
of your weapon, not the target of your fire, though Klingon allows
you to refer to the weapon that shoots the beam. So you can say <b>tIH
vIbach</b><i> I shoot the ray</i> and <b>nISwI' vIbach</b><i> I
shoot the disruptor,</i> but not <b>ghopDap vIbach</b><i> I
shoot the asteroid.</i> To specify your target, use the locative
<b>-Daq.</b></p>
<p>KGT is a little cagey as to exactly what the difference is, but
it appears that you use <b>bach</b> when referring to beam
weapons and <b>baH</b> when referring to weapons that launch a
projectile that explodes. You use <b>chuH</b> to refer to thowing
a weapon that's meant to be thrown. It's unclear what you would
use when referring to non-exploding projectile weapons. My guess
is <b>bach.</b><br>
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