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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] wa'leS Soj wIqel meaning
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Will Martin)
Thu Mar 21 15:01:52 2019
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From: Will Martin <willmartin2@mac.com>
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2019 15:01:46 -0400
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This has to do with the linguistic topic of deixis. It has to do with =
=E2=80=9Cdeictic references=E2=80=9D.=20
The perfect deictic sentence is, =E2=80=9CI am here now,=E2=80=9D =
because anyone can say it any time, anywhere, and it is always true when =
they say it because deixis is an anchor in time and space. =E2=80=9CI=E2=80=
=9D refers to the person who makes the utterance, so the person saying =
it is both the anchor in time and space. =E2=80=9CAm=E2=80=9D is in the =
present tense, anchored in =E2=80=9Cnow=E2=80=9D and the place where I =
am now being is always =E2=80=9Chere". =E2=80=9CHere=E2=80=9D is a =
spacial anchor, meaning the place where the speaker is located as he or =
she utters the statement. =E2=80=9CNow=E2=80=9D is the time the speaker =
is saying the word, =E2=80=9Cnow=E2=80=9D.
So, if you say, =E2=80=9Ctomorrow=E2=80=9D, that is always a set time =
into the future from the anchor of =E2=80=9Cnow=E2=80=9D. It=E2=80=99s =
the day after =E2=80=9Cnow=E2=80=9D.
If you say, =E2=80=9CThe next day,=E2=80=9D then where=E2=80=99s your =
anchor? You need context to know which day you are measuring from. =
=E2=80=9CTomorrow=E2=80=9D already has the context of =E2=80=9Ctoday=E2=80=
=9D from which you measure =E2=80=9Ctomorrow=E2=80=9D.
charghwI=E2=80=99 vaghnerya=E2=80=99ngan
rInpa=E2=80=99 bomnIS be=E2=80=99=E2=80=99a=E2=80=99 pI=E2=80=99.
> On Mar 21, 2019, at 1:22 PM, mayqel qunen'oS <mihkoun@gmail.com> =
wrote:
>=20
> I continue not understanding.
>=20
> I want to say "tomorrow I'll buy the ancient cat".
>=20
> I have two choices:
>=20
> wa'leS vIghro' tIQ vIje'
> jaj veb vIghro' tIQ vIje'
>=20
> Is there any reason I should choose one over the other ?
>=20
> ~ changan qIj
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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">This has to do with the linguistic topic of deixis. It has to =
do with =E2=80=9Cdeictic references=E2=80=9D. </div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">The perfect deictic =
sentence is, =E2=80=9CI am here now,=E2=80=9D because anyone can say it =
any time, anywhere, and it is always true when they say it because =
deixis is an anchor in time and space. =E2=80=9CI=E2=80=9D refers to the =
person who makes the utterance, so the person saying it is both the =
anchor in time and space. =E2=80=9CAm=E2=80=9D is in the present tense, =
anchored in =E2=80=9Cnow=E2=80=9D and the place where I am now being is =
always =E2=80=9Chere". =E2=80=9CHere=E2=80=9D is a spacial anchor, =
meaning the place where the speaker is located as he or she utters the =
statement. =E2=80=9CNow=E2=80=9D is the time the speaker is saying the =
word, =E2=80=9Cnow=E2=80=9D.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">So, if you say, =E2=80=9Ctomorrow=E2=80=9D=
, that is always a set time into the future from the anchor of =
=E2=80=9Cnow=E2=80=9D. It=E2=80=99s the day after =E2=80=9Cnow=E2=80=9D.</=
div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">If you say, =
=E2=80=9CThe next day,=E2=80=9D then where=E2=80=99s your anchor? You =
need context to know which day you are measuring from. =E2=80=9CTomorrow=E2=
=80=9D already has the context of =E2=80=9Ctoday=E2=80=9D from which you =
measure =E2=80=9Ctomorrow=E2=80=9D.</div><br class=3D""><div class=3D"">
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<div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Mar 21, 2019, at 1:22 PM, mayqel qunen'oS <<a =
href=3D"mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com" class=3D"">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>> =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">I continue not understanding.<div dir=3D"auto" =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">I want to =
say "tomorrow I'll buy the ancient cat".</div><div dir=3D"auto" =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">I have two =
choices:</div><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">wa'leS vIghro' tIQ vIje'</div><div dir=3D"auto" =
class=3D"">jaj veb vIghro' tIQ vIje'</div><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><br=
class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">Is there any reason I =
should choose one over the other ?</div><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">~ changan qIj</div></div>
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