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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] SuStel please tell me, I need to know..
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (SuStel)
Mon Jul 31 10:36:53 2017
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From: SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name>
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 10:36:20 -0400
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On 7/31/2017 10:20 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
> SuStel:
>> jatlhqu'meH tlhIngan Hol naQ law' Quenya naQ puS
> jIH:
>> Or is it rather "in order that he/they speaks/speak a lot, klingon is more complete than quenya" ?
> SuStel
>> My intention was is the last one
> Perhaps the reason of my confusion, becomes clearer now. If instead of
> {jatlhqu'meH tlhIngan Hol naQ law' Quenya naQ puS}, we had
> {jatlhqu'lu'meH tlhIngan Hol naQ law' Quenya naQ puS} meaning "in
> order for someone to speak..", then I could have understood the
> meaning better. Reading the {jatlhqu'meH tlhIngan Hol naQ law' Quenya
> naQ puS} and understanding "in order that he/they speaks/speak a lot,
> klingon is more complete than quenya", I begun to wonder who the
> "he/they" was/were. Let alone that I did the mistake of thinking that
> the {tlhIngan Hol} was part of the {meH}ed construction, as opposed to
> the law'/puS construction.
I'm not sure that would have helped. You weren't interpreting *tlhIngan
Hol* as the subject of *jatlhqu'meH;* you were interpreting it as the
head noun of *jatlhqu'meH.* Adding a *-lu'* wouldn't have changed anything.
Klingon purpose clauses are often used in a sort of infinite way. You
don't say *ghojlu'meH taj;* you say *ghojmeH taj.* A subject is not
always necessary or even implied. Sometimes it is speculated that you
need a subject if the purpose clause attaches to a sentence instead of a
noun, but we don't really know, and no survey of canon has been done
recently on that.
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SuStel
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/31/2017 10:20 AM, mayqel qunenoS
wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAP7F2cKRKnc=3MJiCoNiy4fAiffVA-_3pSrya-WMeW077A8znQ@mail.gmail.com">
<pre wrap="">SuStel:
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<pre wrap="">jatlhqu'meH tlhIngan Hol naQ law' Quenya naQ puS
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<pre wrap="">jIH:
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<pre wrap="">Or is it rather "in order that he/they speaks/speak a lot, klingon is more complete than quenya" ?
</pre>
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<pre wrap="">SuStel
</pre>
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<pre wrap="">My intention was is the last one
</pre>
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<pre wrap="">Perhaps the reason of my confusion, becomes clearer now. If instead of
{jatlhqu'meH tlhIngan Hol naQ law' Quenya naQ puS}, we had
{jatlhqu'lu'meH tlhIngan Hol naQ law' Quenya naQ puS} meaning "in
order for someone to speak..", then I could have understood the
meaning better. Reading the {jatlhqu'meH tlhIngan Hol naQ law' Quenya
naQ puS} and understanding "in order that he/they speaks/speak a lot,
klingon is more complete than quenya", I begun to wonder who the
"he/they" was/were. Let alone that I did the mistake of thinking that
the {tlhIngan Hol} was part of the {meH}ed construction, as opposed to
the law'/puS construction.</pre>
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<p>I'm not sure that would have helped. You weren't interpreting <b>tlhIngan
Hol</b> as the subject of <b>jatlhqu'meH;</b> you were
interpreting it as the head noun of <b>jatlhqu'meH.</b> Adding a
<b>-lu'</b> wouldn't have changed anything.</p>
<p>Klingon purpose clauses are often used in a sort of infinite way.
You don't say <b>ghojlu'meH taj;</b> you say <b>ghojmeH taj.</b>
A subject is not always necessary or even implied. Sometimes it is
speculated that you need a subject if the purpose clause attaches
to a sentence instead of a noun, but we don't really know, and no
survey of canon has been done recently on that.<br>
</p>
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SuStel
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://trimboli.name">http://trimboli.name</a></pre>
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