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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Concerning the purpose clauses
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Will Martin)
Wed Nov 11 16:45:45 2015
From: Will Martin <lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com>
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 16:45:27 -0500
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See below.
Star Trek V.
Quoted in HolQeD volume 8, number 4, page 11. Either it=E2=80=99s =
clipped or flubbed by the actor, or the {yI-} was missed because it =
follows {-=E2=80=98e=E2=80=99} in the script.
pItlh
lojmIt tI'wI'nuv
> On Nov 11, 2015, at 4:40 PM, Andr=C3=A9 M=C3=BCller =
<esperantist@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Interesting. I don't have any example for {mIm} in my notes. Maybe it =
appeared in that Sonnet or in Monopoly? I apparently didn't get all the =
sentences from there, yet. Do you remember the source of this sentence? =
And what is it in Klingon? {yImImQo'!}, {pemImQo'!}? I'd like to add it =
to my notes...
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> - Andr=C3=A9
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> 2015-11-11 22:34 GMT+01:00 Will Martin <lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com =
<mailto:lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com>>:
> qatlho=E2=80=99.
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> The point here is that I had noted a canon example of {mIm} being used =
with no direct object. =E2=80=9CDo not delay." That doesn=E2=80=99t =
prove that it can=E2=80=99t be used with a direct object, though. Does =
anyone have a canon example of {mIm} being used with a direct object?
>=20
> It seems like a reasonable gloss for having a direct object, but you =
never know=E2=80=A6 It could be that you=E2=80=99d have to say {Qu=E2=80=99=
yImImmoHQo=E2=80=99} instead of {Qu=E2=80=99 yImImQo=E2=80=99}.
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> pItlh
> lojmIt tI'wI'nuv
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>> On Nov 10, 2015, at 1:36 PM, DloraH <seruq@bellsouth.net =
<mailto:seruq@bellsouth.net>> wrote:
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>> (This message never came back to me through the email list.
>> Was the previous attempt successful for anyone else?
>> I'm sending it again, in case it failed for everyone.)
>>=20
>>=20
>>> you took away my shoes in order to delay me
>>> chomImmeH waqmeywIj Dange'
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> If someone has their issues of HolQeD handy, I have a note in=20
>>> my dictionary about volume 8, number 4, page 11 relating to=20
>>> the verb {mIm}. I apparently interpreted that to mean the=20
>>> verb did not take an object. Until I can read that passage,=20
>>> however, I can't see a reason to correct this one.
>>=20
>> The page is giving the Klingon from ST V.
>>=20
>> tlh'a' HoD, nIm-buS wej yI-ghoS. vub-pu' jon-ta' HeS-wI'. wa' vub =
ghaH tlhI-ngan ghar-wI'-'e'.
>> wa' ghaH te-ra'-ngan-'e'. mIm-Qo'. DaH He-raj yI-choH. batlh =
tlhI-ngan Segh yI-Hub. Qap-la'.
>>=20
>> "Captain Klaa, proceed to Nimbus III. A criminal has succeeded in =
taking hostages. One hostage is
>> a Klingon diplomat. One is a Terran. One is a Romulan. Do not =
delay. Alter your course now.
>> Defend the Klingon race with honor. Success."
>>=20
>> (The Klingon did not include any mention of the Romulan hostage.)
>>=20
>>=20
>> - DloraH
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class=3D""><div class=3D"">See below.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Star Trek V.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Quoted in HolQeD volume 8, number 4, =
page 11. Either it=E2=80=99s clipped or flubbed by the actor, or the =
{yI-} was missed because it follows {-=E2=80=98e=E2=80=99} in the =
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<br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Nov 11, 2015, at 4:40 PM, Andr=C3=A9 M=C3=BCller <<a =
href=3D"mailto:esperantist@gmail.com" =
class=3D"">esperantist@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">Interesting. I don't have any example for =
{mIm} in my notes. Maybe it appeared in that Sonnet or in Monopoly? I =
apparently didn't get all the sentences from there, yet. Do you remember =
the source of this sentence? And what is it in Klingon? {yImImQo'!}, =
{pemImQo'!}? I'd like to add it to my notes...<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div>- Andr=C3=A9<br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"gmail_extra"><br class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2015-11-11=
22:34 GMT+01:00 Will Martin <span dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><<a =
href=3D"mailto:lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br =
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.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div =
style=3D"word-wrap:break-word" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">qatlho=E2=80=99.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div=
class=3D"">The point here is that I had noted a canon example of {mIm} =
being used with no direct object. =E2=80=9CDo not delay." That doesn=E2=80=
=99t prove that it can=E2=80=99t be used with a direct object, though. =
Does anyone have a canon example of {mIm} being used with a direct =
object?</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">It =
seems like a reasonable gloss for having a direct object, but you never =
know=E2=80=A6 It could be that you=E2=80=99d have to say {Qu=E2=80=99 =
yImImmoHQo=E2=80=99} instead of {Qu=E2=80=99 yImImQo=E2=80=99}.</div><br =
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<br class=3D""><div class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Nov 10, 2015, at 1:36 PM, DloraH <<a =
href=3D"mailto:seruq@bellsouth.net" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">seruq@bellsouth.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">(This message never came back to me through the email =
list.<br class=3D"">Was the previous attempt successful for anyone =
else?<br class=3D"">I'm sending it again, in case it failed for =
everyone.)<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D""><blockquote =
type=3D"cite" class=3D""><span style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap" class=3D""> =
</span>you took away my shoes in order to delay me<br class=3D""><span =
style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap" class=3D""> </span>chomImmeH =
waqmeywIj Dange'<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D"">If someone =
has their issues of HolQeD handy, I have a note in <br class=3D"">my =
dictionary about volume 8, number 4, page 11 relating to <br =
class=3D"">the verb {mIm}. I apparently interpreted that to mean the <br =
class=3D"">verb did not take an object. Until I can read that passage, =
<br class=3D"">however, I can't see a reason to correct this one.<br =
class=3D""></blockquote><br class=3D"">The page is giving the Klingon =
from ST V.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">tlh'a' HoD, nIm-buS wej yI-ghoS. =
vub-pu' jon-ta' HeS-wI'. wa' vub ghaH tlhI-ngan =
ghar-wI'-'e'.<br class=3D"">wa' ghaH te-ra'-ngan-'e'. =
mIm-Qo'. DaH He-raj yI-choH. batlh tlhI-ngan Segh =
yI-Hub. Qap-la'.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">"Captain Klaa, =
proceed to Nimbus III. A criminal has succeeded in taking =
hostages. One hostage is<br class=3D"">a Klingon diplomat. =
One is a Terran. One is a Romulan. Do not delay. Alter =
your course now.<br class=3D"">Defend the Klingon race with honor. =
Success."<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">(The Klingon did not include any =
mention of the Romulan hostage.)<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">- DloraH<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br =
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