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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] is there a word for "darth" ?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Brent Kesler)
Mon Sep 21 09:26:41 2015
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Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 09:26:24 -0400
From: Brent Kesler <brent.of.all.people@gmail.com>
To: "tlhingan-hol@kli.org" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
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http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth/Canon
*Darth* was a title given to the Dark Lords
<http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Dark_Lord_of_the_Sith/Canon> of the Sith
Order <http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sith/Canon>, which preceded a moniker
different from the birth name. The Sith names of Sheev Palpatine
<http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Sidious>,Dooku
<http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Dooku/Canon> and Anakin Skywalker
<http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Anakin_Skywalker/Canon> were Darth Sidious,
Darth Tyranus and Darth Vader.[1]
<http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth/Canon#cite_note-ROTS-0> The title was
already in use about one millennium before the Clone Wars
<http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Clone_Wars/Canon>, when Darth Bane
<http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Bane/Canon> created the Rule of Two
<http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Rule_of_Two/Canon>.[2]
<http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth/Canon#cite_note-SWEBane-1> In at
least one known case, that of Anakin Skywalker, the Darth title and the
accompanying moniker were bestowed onto the Sith apprentice
<http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sith_apprentice/Canon> by the master
<http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sith_Master/Canon>.[1]
<http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth/Canon#cite_note-ROTS-0> The Jedi
Master <http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jedi_Master/Canon> Obi-Wan Kenobi
<http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Obi-Wan_Kenobi/Canon> once used "Darth" as
a form of address when talking to Darth Vader.[3]
<http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth/Canon#cite_note-ANH-2> It was
traditional that only the current Sith Master and his or her apprentice
were allowed to use the Darth title.[4]
<http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth/Canon#cite_note-100S-3>
On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 5:10 AM, Anthony Appleyard <
a.appleyard@btinternet.com> wrote:
> Likeliest, if a Klingon ship found its way across the dimensions to Middle
> Earth, or Earendil's spaceship that was made for him in Valinor found its
> way to the Star Trek universe, the Klingon word {betleH} would be taken
> across as 'betlech' ('ch' pronounced as in German or Welsh), or however
> that it written in the Elvish alphabets called 'tengwar' or 'cirth'.
>
> ----Original message----
> From : mihkoun@gmail.com
> Date : 21/09/2015 - 05:16 (GMTST)
> To : bellerophon.modeler@gmail.com
> Cc : tlhingan-hol@kli.org
> Subject : Re: [Tlhingan-hol] is there a word for "darth" ?
>
> ....
>> This begs the question, why does Klingon need a term for Darth, any more
>> than Sindarin needs one for bat'leth?
>>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><a href=3D"http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth/Canon">htt=
p://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth/Canon</a><div><br></div><div><span style=
=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><b style=3D"border:0px;margin:0px;pa=
dding:0px;vertical-align:baseline;color:rgb(58,58,58);font-family:arial,hel=
vetica,sans-serif;line-height:26px">Darth</b><span style=3D"color:rgb(58,58=
,58);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;line-height:26px">=C2=A0was a t=
itle given to the=C2=A0</span><a href=3D"http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Dar=
k_Lord_of_the_Sith/Canon" title=3D"Dark Lord of the Sith/Canon" style=3D"bo=
rder:0px;margin:0px;padding:0px;vertical-align:baseline;text-decoration:non=
e;color:rgb(0,108,176);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;line-height:2=
6px">Dark Lords</a><span style=3D"color:rgb(58,58,58);font-family:arial,hel=
vetica,sans-serif;line-height:26px">=C2=A0of the=C2=A0</span><a href=3D"htt=
p://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sith/Canon" title=3D"Sith/Canon" style=3D"borde=
r:0px;margin:0px;padding:0px;vertical-align:baseline;text-decoration:none;c=
olor:rgb(0,108,176);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;line-height:26px=
">Sith Order</a><span style=3D"color:rgb(58,58,58);font-family:arial,helvet=
ica,sans-serif;line-height:26px">, which preceded a moniker different from =
the birth name. The Sith names of=C2=A0</span><a href=3D"http://starwars.wi=
kia.com/wiki/Darth_Sidious" title=3D"Darth Sidious" style=3D"border:0px;mar=
gin:0px;padding:0px;vertical-align:baseline;text-decoration:none;color:rgb(=
0,108,176);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;line-height:26px">Sheev P=
alpatine</a><span style=3D"color:rgb(58,58,58);font-family:arial,helvetica,=
sans-serif;line-height:26px">,</span><a href=3D"http://starwars.wikia.com/w=
iki/Dooku/Canon" title=3D"Dooku/Canon" style=3D"border:0px;margin:0px;paddi=
ng:0px;vertical-align:baseline;text-decoration:none;color:rgb(0,108,176);fo=
nt-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;line-height:26px">Dooku</a><span style=
=3D"color:rgb(58,58,58);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;line-height:=
26px">=C2=A0and=C2=A0</span><a href=3D"http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Anaki=
n_Skywalker/Canon" title=3D"Anakin Skywalker/Canon" style=3D"border:0px;mar=
gin:0px;padding:0px;vertical-align:baseline;text-decoration:none;color:rgb(=
0,108,176);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;line-height:26px">Anakin =
Skywalker</a><span style=3D"color:rgb(58,58,58);font-family:arial,helvetica=
,sans-serif;line-height:26px">=C2=A0were Darth Sidious, Darth Tyranus and D=
arth Vader.</span><sup id=3D"cite_ref-ROTS_0-0" class=3D"" style=3D"border:=
0px;margin:0px;padding:0px;line-height:0;color:rgb(58,58,58);font-family:ar=
ial,helvetica,sans-serif"><a href=3D"http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth/C=
anon#cite_note-ROTS-0" style=3D"border:0px;font-style:inherit;font-weight:i=
nherit;margin:0px;padding:0px;vertical-align:baseline;text-decoration:none;=
color:rgb(0,108,176)">[1]</a></sup><span style=3D"color:rgb(58,58,58);font-=
family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;line-height:26px">=C2=A0The title was alr=
eady in use about one millennium before the=C2=A0</span><a href=3D"http://s=
tarwars.wikia.com/wiki/Clone_Wars/Canon" title=3D"Clone Wars/Canon" style=
=3D"border:0px;margin:0px;padding:0px;vertical-align:baseline;text-decorati=
on:none;color:rgb(0,108,176);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;line-he=
ight:26px">Clone Wars</a><span style=3D"color:rgb(58,58,58);font-family:ari=
al,helvetica,sans-serif;line-height:26px">, when=C2=A0</span><a href=3D"htt=
p://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Bane/Canon" title=3D"Darth Bane/Canon" st=
yle=3D"border:0px;margin:0px;padding:0px;vertical-align:baseline;text-decor=
ation:none;color:rgb(0,108,176);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;line=
-height:26px">Darth Bane</a><span style=3D"color:rgb(58,58,58);font-family:=
arial,helvetica,sans-serif;line-height:26px">=C2=A0created the=C2=A0</span>=
<a href=3D"http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Rule_of_Two/Canon" title=3D"Rule =
of Two/Canon" style=3D"border:0px;margin:0px;padding:0px;vertical-align:bas=
eline;text-decoration:none;color:rgb(0,108,176);font-family:arial,helvetica=
,sans-serif;line-height:26px">Rule of Two</a><span style=3D"color:rgb(58,58=
,58);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;line-height:26px">.</span><sup =
id=3D"cite_ref-SWEBane_1-0" class=3D"" style=3D"border:0px;margin:0px;paddi=
ng:0px;line-height:0;color:rgb(58,58,58);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-s=
erif"><a href=3D"http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth/Canon#cite_note-SWEBa=
ne-1" style=3D"border:0px;font-style:inherit;font-weight:inherit;margin:0px=
;padding:0px;vertical-align:baseline;text-decoration:none;color:rgb(0,108,1=
76)">[2]</a></sup><span style=3D"color:rgb(58,58,58);font-family:arial,helv=
etica,sans-serif;line-height:26px">=C2=A0In at least one known case, that o=
f Anakin Skywalker, the Darth title and the accompanying moniker were besto=
wed onto the=C2=A0</span><a href=3D"http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sith_app=
rentice/Canon" title=3D"Sith apprentice/Canon" style=3D"border:0px;margin:0=
px;padding:0px;vertical-align:baseline;text-decoration:none;color:rgb(0,108=
,176);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;line-height:26px">Sith apprent=
ice</a><span style=3D"color:rgb(58,58,58);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-=
serif;line-height:26px">=C2=A0by the=C2=A0</span><a href=3D"http://starwars=
.wikia.com/wiki/Sith_Master/Canon" title=3D"Sith Master/Canon" style=3D"bor=
der:0px;margin:0px;padding:0px;vertical-align:baseline;text-decoration:none=
;color:rgb(0,108,176);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;line-height:26=
px">master</a><span style=3D"color:rgb(58,58,58);font-family:arial,helvetic=
a,sans-serif;line-height:26px">.</span><sup id=3D"cite_ref-ROTS_0-1" class=
=3D"" style=3D"border:0px;margin:0px;padding:0px;line-height:0;color:rgb(58=
,58,58);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><a href=3D"http://starwars.=
wikia.com/wiki/Darth/Canon#cite_note-ROTS-0" style=3D"border:0px;font-style=
:inherit;font-weight:inherit;margin:0px;padding:0px;vertical-align:baseline=
;text-decoration:none;color:rgb(0,108,176)">[1]</a></sup><span style=3D"col=
or:rgb(58,58,58);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;line-height:26px">=
=C2=A0The=C2=A0</span><a href=3D"http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jedi_Master=
/Canon" title=3D"Jedi Master/Canon" style=3D"border:0px;margin:0px;padding:=
0px;vertical-align:baseline;text-decoration:none;color:rgb(0,108,176);font-=
family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;line-height:26px">Jedi Master</a><span st=
yle=3D"color:rgb(58,58,58);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;line-heig=
ht:26px">=C2=A0</span><a href=3D"http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Obi-Wan_Ken=
obi/Canon" title=3D"Obi-Wan Kenobi/Canon" style=3D"border:0px;margin:0px;pa=
dding:0px;vertical-align:baseline;text-decoration:none;color:rgb(0,108,176)=
;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;line-height:26px">Obi-Wan Kenobi</a=
><span style=3D"color:rgb(58,58,58);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;=
line-height:26px">=C2=A0once used "Darth" as a form of address wh=
en talking to Darth Vader.</span><sup id=3D"cite_ref-ANH_2-0" class=3D"" st=
yle=3D"border:0px;margin:0px;padding:0px;line-height:0;color:rgb(58,58,58);=
font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><a href=3D"http://starwars.wikia.co=
m/wiki/Darth/Canon#cite_note-ANH-2" style=3D"border:0px;font-style:inherit;=
font-weight:inherit;margin:0px;padding:0px;vertical-align:baseline;text-dec=
oration:none;color:rgb(0,108,176)">[3]</a></sup><span style=3D"color:rgb(58=
,58,58);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;line-height:26px">=C2=A0It w=
as traditional that only the current Sith Master and his or her apprentice =
were allowed to use the Darth title.</span><sup id=3D"cite_ref-100S_3-0" cl=
ass=3D"" style=3D"border:0px;margin:0px;padding:0px;line-height:0;color:rgb=
(58,58,58);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><a href=3D"http://starwa=
rs.wikia.com/wiki/Darth/Canon#cite_note-100S-3" style=3D"border:0px;font-st=
yle:inherit;font-weight:inherit;margin:0px;padding:0px;vertical-align:basel=
ine;text-decoration:none;color:rgb(0,108,176)">[4]</a></sup></span><br></di=
v></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, S=
ep 21, 2015 at 5:10 AM, Anthony Appleyard <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"=
mailto:a.appleyard@btinternet.com" target=3D"_blank">a.appleyard@btinternet=
.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"ma=
rgin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Likeliest, if =
a Klingon ship found its way across the dimensions to Middle Earth, or Eare=
ndil's spaceship that was made for him in Valinor found its way to the =
Star Trek universe, the Klingon word {betleH} would be taken across as '=
;betlech' ('ch' pronounced as in German or Welsh), or however t=
hat it written in the Elvish alphabets called 'tengwar' or 'cir=
th'.<br><blockquote style=3D"margin-right:0px;margin-left:15px"><span c=
lass=3D"">----Original message----<br>From : <a href=3D"mailto:mihkoun@gmai=
l.com" target=3D"_blank">mihkoun@gmail.com</a><br>Date : 21/09/2015 - 05:16=
(GMTST)<br>To : <a href=3D"mailto:bellerophon.modeler@gmail.com" target=3D=
"_blank">bellerophon.modeler@gmail.com</a><br>Cc : <a href=3D"mailto:tlhing=
an-hol@kli.org" target=3D"_blank">tlhingan-hol@kli.org</a><br>Subject : Re:=
[Tlhingan-hol] is there a word for "darth" ?<br><br></span><div =
dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"=
><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1=
px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div>....<br></div><s=
pan class=3D"">This begs the question, why does Klingon need a term for Dar=
th, any more than Sindarin needs one for bat'leth?<br></span></div></di=
v></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><br><p></p><br>__=
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