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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Two {-'e'}'s in a pronoun sentence.
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (mayqel qunenoS)
Wed Sep 13 03:46:26 2017
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From: mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2017 19:26:32 +0300
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I agree 100% with the analysis provided by lieven.
So, if I understand correctly:
Yes, we can have the construction {b'e' 'oH a'e'}.
Yes, we can have the construction {yadda yadda yadda b'e' 'oHbogh 'a'e'}.
If I understand wrong, then do correct me.
qunnoq
On Sep 12, 2017 6:33 PM, "Lieven" <levinius@gmx.de> wrote:
> Am 12.09.2017 um 17:15 schrieb De'vID:
>
>> {nutojta' nepwI''e' chaHbogh verengan'e'}
>>> the liars which are the ferengi deceived us
>>>
>>
> This is mixed up very often. I believe to see that in a To-Be-phrase, the
> word order is reversed, so "A is B" is in Klingon {B 'oH A'e'}. I base thi
> on TKD: "If the subject is a noun, it follows the third-person pronoun".
>
> So {nepwI' chaH verengan'e'} is "The Ferengi are liars".
>
> When adding {-bogh}, I get the "ferengi which are liars" and not "liars
> which are ferengi".
>
> How is this different
>>
>
> I see it as follows:
>
> {nutojta' nepwI''e' chaHbogh verengan'e'}
> "the Ferengi which are liars (and nothing else) have deceived us"
> = there are many ferengi, but only those who are liars (and nothing else)
> have deceived us.
>
> {nutojta' verengan chaHbogh nepwI''e'}
> "the liars which are ferengi deceived us"
> = there are many liars on board the ship, but only those who are Ferengi
> have deceived us.
>
> --
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<div dir=3D"auto">I agree 100% with the analysis provided by lieven.<div di=
r=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">So, if I understand correctly:</div>=
<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Yes, we can have the construc=
tion {b'e' 'oH a'e'}.</div><div dir=3D"auto">Yes, we ca=
n have the construction {yadda yadda yadda b'e' 'oHbogh 'a&=
#39;e'}.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">If I unders=
tand wrong, then do correct me.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=
=3D"auto">qunnoq</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gm=
ail_quote">On Sep 12, 2017 6:33 PM, "Lieven" <<a href=3D"mailt=
o:levinius@gmx.de">levinius@gmx.de</a>> wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><=
blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px=
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Am 12.09.2017 um 17:15 schrieb De'vID:<br=
>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m=
argin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
{nutojta' nepwI''e' chaHbogh verengan'e'}<br>
the liars which are the ferengi deceived us<br>
</blockquote></blockquote>
<br>
This is mixed up very often. I believe to see that in a To-Be-phrase, the w=
ord order is reversed, so "A is B" is in Klingon {B 'oH A'=
;e'}. I base thi on TKD: "If the subject is a noun, it follows the=
third-person pronoun".<br>
<br>
So {nepwI' chaH verengan'e'} is "The Ferengi are liars&quo=
t;.<br>
<br>
When adding {-bogh}, I get the "ferengi which are liars" and not =
"liars which are ferengi".<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
How is this different<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
I see it as follows:<br>
<br>
{nutojta' nepwI''e' chaHbogh verengan'e'}<br>
"the Ferengi which are liars (and nothing else) have deceived us"=
<br>
=3D there are many ferengi, but only those who are liars (and nothing else)=
have deceived us.<br>
<br>
{nutojta' verengan chaHbogh nepwI''e'}<br>
"the liars which are ferengi deceived us"<br>
=3D there are many liars on board the ship, but only those who are Ferengi =
have deceived us.<br>
<br>
-- <br>
Lieven L. Litaer<br>
aka Quvar valer 'utlh<br>
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