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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] jIHtaHbogh naDev vISovbe'
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (mayqel qunenoS)
Tue Sep 12 15:46:24 2017
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From: mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2017 22:26:38 +0300
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Perhaps if it was {*DaH naDev jIHmoHtaHbogh meq Saja'} *for "the reason
which makes me be here", would make more sense.
qunnoq
On Sep 12, 2017 10:23 PM, "mayqel qunenoS" <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
> *> DaH naDev jIHtaHbogh meq Saja'*
>
> > Now I will tell you why I am here. (PB) T
>
>
> This sounds strange too; "now, the reason which I am being here, I will
> tell you". Something doesn't make sense in this sentence.
>
> qunnoq
>
>
> On Sep 12, 2017 10:13 PM, "Steven Boozer" <sboozer@uchicago.edu> wrote:
>
> vaj matlhutlhjaj
>
> ghe'torDaq ghaHtaHbogh vavwI' wIquvmoHjaj
>
> Let us drink then
>
> To my father in Gre'thor (PB)
>
>
>
> yuQDaq ghaHtaHbogh Hoch tlhIngan'e'
>
> Qomqa' Hoch Qo'noS nuvpu'
>
> All of Kronos trembled once more,
>
> For every Klingon on the planet (PB)
>
>
>
> * DaH naDev jIHtaHbogh meq Saja' *
>
> Now I will tell you why I am here. (PB)
>
> [Thanks to SuStel for providing the translation of this last verse.]
>
>
>
>
> * jIHtaHbogh naDev vISovbe' * I'm lost. (TKD Useful Expressions)
>
>
> The placement of *naDev* is certainly odd in the TKD example. Perhaps he
> re-thought it when he was working on the paq=E2=80=99batlh.
>
>
>
> --
> Voragh
>
>
>
> *From:* nIqolay Q
>
> On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 12:53 PM, qurgh lungqIj <qurgh@wizage.net> wrote:
>
> Part of me wants to believe it's a joke phrase. Anyone trying to figure i=
t
> out will quickly end up saying, "I'm lost! I don't get this grammar at
> all!" :D
>
>
>
> It might be a holdover from an earlier experiment in grammar, maybe
> involving the ordering of nouns in relative clauses or something, and the=
n
> he forgot to change it back when he changed his mind. It's probably just =
a
> mistake, though.
>
>
>
> Maybe if someone asked about it, he'd retcon it into being some kind of
> fossilized idiomatic expression or something. I do enjoy those.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 1:00 PM, demonchaux.aurelie <
> demonchaux.aurelie@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> It is a good question - I am also wondering about this sentence, because
> somehow it feels wrong to include {naDev} at all.
>
>
>
> I like it, personally. It demonstrates how {naDev} and the other locative=
s
> are just nouns like any other noun.
>
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<div dir=3D"auto">Perhaps if it was {<b style=3D"color:rgb(128,0,128);font-=
family:sans-serif;font-size:14.6547px"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-f=
amily:'calibri',sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">DaH naDev jIHmoHta=
Hbogh meq Saja'}=C2=A0</span></b><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif"=
>for "the reason which makes me be here", would make more sense.<=
/span><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif"><br></span><=
/div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif">qunnoq</span>=
</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Se=
p 12, 2017 10:23 PM, "mayqel qunenoS" <<a href=3D"mailto:mihko=
un@gmail.com">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blo=
ckquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #c=
cc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"><p style=3D"font-family:sans-s=
erif;font-size:13.696px"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:'=
calibri',sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">> DaH naDev jIHtaHbogh meq=
Saja'</span></b></p><p style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.69=
6px"><span style=3D"font-size:13.696px">> N</span><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:13.696px">ow I will tell you why I am here. (PB)=C2=A0</span><span style=
=3D"font-size:13.696px">T</span></p><p style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font=
-size:13.696px"><span style=3D"font-size:13.696px"><br></span></p><p style=
=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px"><span style=3D"font-size:13.=
696px">This sounds strange too; "now, the reason which I am being here=
, I will tell you". Something doesn't make sense in this sentence.=
</span></p><p style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px"><span sty=
le=3D"font-size:13.696px">qunnoq</span></p><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra" d=
ir=3D"auto"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sep 12, 2017 10:13 PM, "=
Steven Boozer" <<a href=3D"mailto:sboozer@uchicago.edu" target=3D"_=
blank">sboozer@uchicago.edu</a>> wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockqu=
ote class=3D"m_7440371019915432921quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-=
left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple">
<div class=3D"m_7440371019915432921m_-1308928592643392245WordSection1">
<p class=3D"m_7440371019915432921m_-1308928592643392245MsoPlainText">=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 vaj matlhutlhjaj <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"m_7440371019915432921m_-1308928592643392245MsoPlainText">=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0ghe'torDaq ghaHtaHbogh vavwI' wIquvmo=
Hjaj<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"m_7440371019915432921m_-1308928592643392245MsoPlainText">=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 Let us drink then<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"m_7440371019915432921m_-1308928592643392245MsoPlainText">=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 To my father in Gre'thor=C2=A0 (PB)<u></u><u><=
/u></p>
<p class=3D"m_7440371019915432921m_-1308928592643392245MsoPlainText"><u></u=
>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"m_7440371019915432921m_-1308928592643392245MsoPlainText">=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0 yuQDaq ghaHtaHbogh Hoch tlhIngan'e'<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"m_7440371019915432921m_-1308928592643392245MsoPlainText">=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Qomqa' Hoch Qo'noS nuvpu'<u></u><u></u=
></p>
<p class=3D"m_7440371019915432921m_-1308928592643392245MsoPlainText">=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0 All of Kronos trembled once more,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"m_7440371019915432921m_-1308928592643392245MsoPlainText">=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 For every Klingon on the planet=C2=A0 (PB)<u></u><=
u></u></p>
<p class=3D"m_7440371019915432921m_-1308928592643392245MsoPlainText"><u></u=
>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"=
;Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 DaH naDev jIHta=
Hbogh meq Saja'
<u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Now I will tell you why I am here.=
(PB) <br>
<br>
<span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;=
color:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">[Thanks to SuStel for providing the t=
ranslation of this last verse.]<u></u><u></u></span></p><div class=3D"m_744=
0371019915432921quoted-text">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><b>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0jIHtaHbogh naDev=
vISovbe'<br>
</b>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0I'm lost.=C2=A0 (TKD Useful Expressions)<u></u><u=
></u></span></p>
</div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><br>
The placement of <b>naDev</b> is certainly odd in the TKD example.=C2=A0 Pe=
rhaps he re-thought it when he was working on the paq=E2=80=99batlh.<u></u>=
<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">--<br>
Voragh<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"=
;Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;=
font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> nIqolay Q<br>
<br>
<u></u><u></u></span></p><div class=3D"m_7440371019915432921elided-text">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 12:53 PM, qurgh lungqIj <=
<a href=3D"mailto:qurgh@wizage.net" target=3D"_blank">qurgh@wizage.net</a>&=
gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
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<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0i=
n 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-=
bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Part of me wants to believe it's a joke phrase. =
Anyone trying to figure it out will quickly end up saying, "I'm lo=
st! I don't get this grammar at all!" :D<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">It might be a holdover from an earlier experiment in=
grammar, maybe involving the ordering of nouns in relative clauses or some=
thing, and then he forgot to change it back when he changed his mind. It=
9;s probably just a mistake, though.
<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Maybe if someone asked about it, he'd retcon it =
into being some kind of fossilized idiomatic expression or something. I do =
enjoy those.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 1:00 PM, demonchaux.aurelie =
<<a href=3D"mailto:demonchaux.aurelie@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">demon=
chaux.aurelie@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0i=
n 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-=
bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">It is a good question - I am also wondering about th=
is sentence, because somehow it feels wrong to include {naDev} at all.<u></=
u><u></u></p>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I like it, personally. It demonstrates how {naDev} a=
nd the other locatives are just nouns like any other noun.<u></u><u></u></p=
>
</div>
</div>
</div></div>
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